Now if you are really busy, Please refrain from reading this as it may be a bit verbose.
But if you are truly VELA, Please do read it.
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then?
Hmm? (Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your god? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy.
Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it, sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
Do you know who the student is....?
That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN.
17 comments:
"Darkness is the absence of ... light"
Einstein was right here, but ...
"you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God."
Note that the professor never said there was a good God and a bad one. It was student who said he believed in a good God and a bad Satan.
"You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure."
On the contrary, the professor asked the student if God was 'all-powerful', the student replied, yes, and the professor took his word. If God was indeed "all-good" and all-powerful, he/she/it should save premature babies from death. (Unless, of course, goodness dictated, for some reason, that some premature babies be allowed to die. In that case, our concepts of good and bad are completely wrong and all the while, we could be very bad people thinking that we are very good.)
"Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one."
1. Thought, electricity and magnetism have naturally occuring, reproducable effects. These effects cannot be denied.
2. Science never claims to fully explain everything. Religion does.
Science does claim to have 'good' explainations for many phenomena. Everytime a 'good' explaination is proved bad, it is replaced by a better one. Science keeps the spirit of skepticism alive by being skeptical of every new scientific theory that comes along. A theory is "passed" only if scientists can be convinced of it through logic and reason.
"To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it."
Wrong on both counts. 1. The professor never said that death is the opposite of life. 2. Death is the end of life, not the absence of it.
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
It is true that evolution has not been proved. It is still considered by science, to be a theory, not a fact. But we must admit that it is the best explaination that science has for our existence. (Certainly better than "all life was created in 2 earth-days".) By best, I mean the most logical and reasoned.
"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?"
Evolution is taught in classrooms, simply because it is a good and important theory. Newton once said that he could see further than most others because he stood on the shoulders of giants. If those shoulders were taken away, how could we expect Newtons in the future. That is the reason evolution and other unproven scientific theories are taught in science classes around the world.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?...
So, ... science says that you have no brain, sir."
You would need to kill the professor to see his brain. This is clearly meant to humor the students and intimidate the professor.
"Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son."
The professor gave in too easily.
"Do you know who the student is?
That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN."
The more I learn about the world, the less I respect it. I have lost some amount of respect I had for Einstein today. He had once said "God does not play dice." I believe that if there is a God, he/she/it does nothing by play dice all day.
Corrections:
Student: "you are working on the premise of duality..."
True. The professor was working on duality. He effectively meant to nullify free-will. But then, he took the student's word on God's all-goodness and all-powerfullness. That does nullify free-will. In short, the christian concept of God (in which the student said he believed) is wrong.
Student: "To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it."
Yes, death cannot exist as a substantive thing. It is life that gives meaning to the concept of death. The student meant that the death of a fictional person cannot be a reality because his/her life was never a reality.
Yet, it is the end of life that is death, not the absence of it. The death of a premature baby is a reality because it was alive at some point in time.
I realise that the post was probably just a forward and wasn't meant to get a response such as this. But, I just couldn't resist it. Whoever wrote the original forward probably wrote it for one of two reasons:
1. To show that even the great Einstein believed in the popular concept of God. Sorry, but that doesn't shake my convictions.
2. To show Einstein's guts at proving the professor wrong. If you think Einstein was gutsy, you should read about Richard Feynman's answers in his science exams.
I am sorry to dissappoint you..But all this is false..
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
oops..sorry..typo..*disappoint
Ha. I'm glad, not disappointed.
Serves me right to believe what I read. Should've known. I was taken in because I believed from the start that Einstein believed in God.
This forward just shows how far the other side can go in trying to convince people. tsk tsk tsk. Shame on them.
Just because the story isn't necessarily true does not undermine Einstein's belief in God.
It should be taken as a modern-day parable with a message, not a way to try to brainwash readers!!!!
Vijay said...Evolution is taught in classrooms, simply because it is a good and important theory.
Yes it is true that the theory of evolution is taught in class rooms. But, anywhere that it is taught, it is not taught as a theory. Teachers always treat it as fact. They do not ever say that this is just what we think and there could possibly be another explantion. They always say "This is what happened."
CB posted the link saying that this conversation was false, then Vijay said that he shouldn't believe what you read, so what I ask is, Why should you believe the other article and not this conversation? You are contradicting yourself by believing one without the other
It's funny how atheists will go to extremes to try and prove and convince people that god doesnt exist. And who are they to say he doesn't? That really makes Atheism a religion in itself...They despise people who preach the gospel yet they are doing it themselves! lol.
What a shame it be for them come judgment day, huh. Wether or not you believe, you will be judged. Jesus says: Every knee shall bow and every will tongue confess that I am Lord.
God invented science. He is THE scientist. We could argue religion all day, everyday and get nowhere because we all have our opinions and ideas...and we think we know whats best. People who refuse to accept Jesus always have an excuse! doesnt matter how much evidence there is. "Those who deny my father here on earth, I shall deny before my father in heaven."
The theory of evolution has proven to be flawed! (Go to your library/video store and rent out a documentary called "DARWIN")
If such a thing ever existed...how come we don't see it happening today? Animals and humans have only ever given birth to their own kind... What makes monkeys so special?
So, for me, it would take as much faith to believe in the theory of evolution as it would to believe that the earth was created in 7 days(..not 2)
I don't assume that God exists.
I know he does. I have seen the miracles he has worked, miracles not even science can explain. That is enough proof for me. I don't need to see him as a human being, to hear an audible voice from the heavens. Jesus is very much alive and moving!
btw, Jesus loves you :D
Evolution does not state that we came from monkeys, if we did monkeys would be extinct, it says we came from something monkey-like. Do your research before you make a fool of your selves and embarrass your fellow Christians, including me.
"If such a thing ever existed...how come we don't see it happening today?"
Bacterial adaptation or resistance to antibiotic is already a form of evolution. Evolution exists, just not virtually observable.
Large scale evolution doesn't happen overnight, it takes thousands or millions of years.
it is all false. but sorry to dissapoint u.hope u understand.
All who dont believe the concept and purpose of this artical are in denial. Have faith in something..rather than nothing. Dont need to back this up with "opinions" faith in a greater power(God) is all i need. Where will faith in evolution get you in the end?
May God have mercy on you
Regardless of what the prof argued and didnt argue, based on the two points Einstein brought up about light and heat, the prof got owned. The student coulda left it there and ask "how do we then trust your lectures" and still woulda owned the prof if of course he mentioned having faith in his lecures.
All life was created in --3 days--, not 2 maybe you should get your facts straight before ripping on EINSTEIN.
Will all you whiny little bastards shut up!
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